X-Account-Key: account3 X-UIDL: 35BC8302E7B642F79267E519FC58 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Received: from n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.28]) by highonpots.com with MailEnable ESMTP; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 14:53:35 -0600 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2005 20:48:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.34] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2005 20:48:37 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email X-Sender: stechiekov@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: papercrete@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12044 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2005 20:48:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2005 20:48:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.200.66) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2005 20:48:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 32535 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Mar 2005 20:48:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20050327204835.32533.qmail@web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.159.232.79] by web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:48:35 PST To: papercrete@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: X-Originating-IP: 68.142.200.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: steve chiekovski X-Yahoo-Profile: octothorp997 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list papercrete@yahoogroups.com; contact papercrete-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list papercrete@yahoogroups.com List-Id: Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:48:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [papercrete] Papercrete Vault over Greenhouse Reply-To: papercrete@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For greenhouses I suggest a review of http:///www.solviva.com and for vaults http://www.calearth.org is worth looking into. You sound to me like a true pioneer and are certainly an innovator. I hope you keep us posted as your project continues. It would be wonderful if you posted us some photos as you move stage by stage through your construction. hadishon <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Hello, This is my first post to this group. I have read all of the archives and I am very interested in papercrete. I have learned about papercrete from my father who has always had an interest in non-convectional (from today's standpoint) building methods. I have been reading and studying everything I can on the subject of papercrete and general building methods. I have done several test using papercrete and found it to be a great method to build. I would like to share my ideas on building my house and if you have any comments, it would be greatly appreciated. I am in the process of designing my future home in Mid-Missouri. This is a humid and wet (at times) area and I have taken precautions to keep the papercrete as dry as possible. I'm planning on starting to produce blocks (in a greenhouse to avoid as much moisture as I can) within the next month. I hope to have most of the house finish by mid summer. My plan is to erect a 26' x 100' semi-circular steel greenhouse on a thick ruble trench/pad and then cover the greenhouse with papercrete. The steel hoops are 1 5/8" in diameter and will be on 4' centers with truss ties. The steel pipes will be well anchored into the ground and will connect to the greenhouse hoops a few (haven't yet determined exactly how high yet) feet above grade. (basically, we will have a straight piece of pipe that will go below frost line and above grade to elevate the greenhouse on a stem wall. We would like 7' flat walls around the perimeter of the house so the idea is to raise the greenhouse some and then build the exterior walls inside the greenhouse. Basically, we don't want to use 7' stem walls and have the house to have a 20' ceiling. So basically we are compromising with a smaller stem wall and the wall inset from the exterior of the greenhouse. The finish product would be a segmental vault on a 7' papercrete wall with some steel pipes cut out and some that will protrude from the papercrete wall for buttresses. Once the wall is built, we will be laying blocks onto the greenhouse plastic to cover the roof and make the papercrete vault. We will also be building the haunches thicker then the top of the arch to help direct the thrust of the vault to the walls. During construction, the exterior of the vault will be covered with plastic if it starts to rain. Once the exterior is done, we will take the plastic off from the inside and plaster the inside of the vault. After completing the vault and the papercrete has thoroughly dried, will we seal and paint the exterior. I have read about people building domes from blocks alone and on top of wire netting. I have not seen anyone build a dome/vault using a greenhouse for the form. I believe it will work, the only question would be how long until it will dry completely. I'm sure the plastic will slow the drying process of the mortar but once it firms, I can take the plastic off from the inside to aid the breathing and drying of the mortar. Again, I would appreciate any comments from you or anyone else you know that has experience in papercrete vaults and arches. Thank you for your time, Michael Schutt Madison MO Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/papercrete/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: papercrete-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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